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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.alternatecover.com/2008/02/21/ultimates-v3-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1633</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ultimate kazar and ultimate zabu rock.  I have all the 616 appearances of kazar , including the old savage tales .  I have been waiting for a chance to redo the character.  And two zabu&#039;s is awesome?? Rest of the story is very dissapointing though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ultimate kazar and ultimate zabu rock.  I have all the 616 appearances of kazar , including the old savage tales .  I have been waiting for a chance to redo the character.  And two zabu&#8217;s is awesome?? Rest of the story is very dissapointing though.</p>
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		<title>By: Hundie Jo [dot] Com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links of the Day</title>
		<link>http://www.alternatecover.com/2008/02/21/ultimates-v3-3/comment-page-1/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Hundie Jo [dot] Com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links of the Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] showed me this one: Review of Ultimates vol 3, Issue 3.&#160; This is priceless.&#160; Hunt dissects why&#160; Jeph Loeb’s Ultimates run is ruining the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] showed me this one: Review of Ultimates vol 3, Issue 3.&#160; This is priceless.&#160; Hunt dissects why&#160; Jeph Loeb’s Ultimates run is ruining the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeph Loeb Day: Ultimates v3 #4 &#38; Hulk #4 &#171; Comics Daily</title>
		<link>http://www.alternatecover.com/2008/02/21/ultimates-v3-3/comment-page-1/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeph Loeb Day: Ultimates v3 #4 &#38; Hulk #4 &#171; Comics Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in question, starting with a deconstruction of Ultimates v3 #4, by Seb Patrick: As we mentioned last time, Ultimates really is impossible to review by now - all we can really do is sit here taking potshots [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in question, starting with a deconstruction of Ultimates v3 #4, by Seb Patrick: As we mentioned last time, Ultimates really is impossible to review by now &#8211; all we can really do is sit here taking potshots [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bakers25</title>
		<link>http://www.alternatecover.com/2008/02/21/ultimates-v3-3/comment-page-1/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>bakers25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Noah Baumbach:

If by downloading, you mean stealing, then yes, I have heard of downloading.  I do not prefer to steal from people, so I actually buy a product and, as it goes on, decide if I would like to continue to purchase it.  At this point, I will not be purchasing the series any longer.  Thanks for your concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Noah Baumbach:</p>
<p>If by downloading, you mean stealing, then yes, I have heard of downloading.  I do not prefer to steal from people, so I actually buy a product and, as it goes on, decide if I would like to continue to purchase it.  At this point, I will not be purchasing the series any longer.  Thanks for your concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://www.alternatecover.com/2008/02/21/ultimates-v3-3/comment-page-1/#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a quote from an interview with Ralph Macchio (from www.mania.com), who is editor for Ultimates 3 and was editor for Ultimates 2:

MANIA: As the editor, when you&#039;re reading something you might not think is the best of ideas, do you let the writer go with it or do you use your position to have something you think needs changed, changed?  Have you ever had to do anything like that with the Ultimate line?


MACCHIO: I can’t recall any specific incidence, but if a writer hands me something that just doesn’t work I will let him know and we’ll discuss and debate it and, hopefully, reach a point of compromise. While I do have the final say on the content of an Ultimate title, I try not to be insistent as that makes for an unhealthy atmosphere. The one place I might really put my foot down is regarding continuity. I don’t want anyone coming in and violating what’s been established because they can’t be bothered to research or they think their story is more important so we need to violate continuity. But I’m rarely if ever in that situation because I discuss things with my talent before it would ever get to that stage.



I realize Macchio is stressing continuity here, but honestly, how could he read this stuff and think it &quot;works?&quot;  Jeph Loeb couldn&#039;t have done a worse job on this book if he set out to completely destroy it.    The over-the-top cliche dialog and pension to bring in &quot;guest stars&quot; with no respect to plotting is more suited to Superman/Batman or Hulk (2) than Ultimates.  Those books are at least intended to include a younger audience which cares less about intelligent writing and precludes the creative team from peddling soft-porn as art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a quote from an interview with Ralph Macchio (from <a href="http://www.mania.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mania.com</a>), who is editor for Ultimates 3 and was editor for Ultimates 2:</p>
<p>MANIA: As the editor, when you&#8217;re reading something you might not think is the best of ideas, do you let the writer go with it or do you use your position to have something you think needs changed, changed?  Have you ever had to do anything like that with the Ultimate line?</p>
<p>MACCHIO: I can’t recall any specific incidence, but if a writer hands me something that just doesn’t work I will let him know and we’ll discuss and debate it and, hopefully, reach a point of compromise. While I do have the final say on the content of an Ultimate title, I try not to be insistent as that makes for an unhealthy atmosphere. The one place I might really put my foot down is regarding continuity. I don’t want anyone coming in and violating what’s been established because they can’t be bothered to research or they think their story is more important so we need to violate continuity. But I’m rarely if ever in that situation because I discuss things with my talent before it would ever get to that stage.</p>
<p>I realize Macchio is stressing continuity here, but honestly, how could he read this stuff and think it &#8220;works?&#8221;  Jeph Loeb couldn&#8217;t have done a worse job on this book if he set out to completely destroy it.    The over-the-top cliche dialog and pension to bring in &#8220;guest stars&#8221; with no respect to plotting is more suited to Superman/Batman or Hulk (2) than Ultimates.  Those books are at least intended to include a younger audience which cares less about intelligent writing and precludes the creative team from peddling soft-porn as art.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.alternatecover.com/2008/02/21/ultimates-v3-3/comment-page-1/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>S. Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this is the thing - it&#039;s topping sales charts because the five issues are all already accounted for by pre-orders. Sales charts go by how many issues retailers buy, not by how many they sell to customers (just as with any kind of chart, in fact). And pre-orders were high from day one because... well, because it&#039;s the next volume of a series that was once the best superhero book on the market. All five issues will do well in the charts, even though people know it&#039;s a big pile of festering shite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this is the thing &#8211; it&#8217;s topping sales charts because the five issues are all already accounted for by pre-orders. Sales charts go by how many issues retailers buy, not by how many they sell to customers (just as with any kind of chart, in fact). And pre-orders were high from day one because&#8230; well, because it&#8217;s the next volume of a series that was once the best superhero book on the market. All five issues will do well in the charts, even though people know it&#8217;s a big pile of festering shite.</p>
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		<title>By: Kizmet</title>
		<link>http://www.alternatecover.com/2008/02/21/ultimates-v3-3/comment-page-1/#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator>Kizmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comic store requires that you order three issues in advance, with a five issue series it usually wouldn&#039;t be worth the bother of canceling since it&#039;s just two issues that you get out of buying... but Ultimates 3 makes it worth the trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comic store requires that you order three issues in advance, with a five issue series it usually wouldn&#8217;t be worth the bother of canceling since it&#8217;s just two issues that you get out of buying&#8230; but Ultimates 3 makes it worth the trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah Baumbach</title>
		<link>http://www.alternatecover.com/2008/02/21/ultimates-v3-3/comment-page-1/#comment-423</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah Baumbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To bakers25:

Have you heard of downloading?  I like to read this title just so I can tear it apart with mockery, too, but I wouldn&#039;t buy the damn thing and send the message that I&#039;m okay with Marvel giving us crap like this.  Download it.  If you buy it, you&#039;re part of the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To bakers25:</p>
<p>Have you heard of downloading?  I like to read this title just so I can tear it apart with mockery, too, but I wouldn&#8217;t buy the damn thing and send the message that I&#8217;m okay with Marvel giving us crap like this.  Download it.  If you buy it, you&#8217;re part of the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: vonnt</title>
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		<dc:creator>vonnt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree. What the hell is up with Ultimates 3? 1&amp;2 were testament to witty, well drawn post modern comics. This is some kind of travesty. Did Loeb even read 1&amp;2? Gah...I&#039;m giving up on this title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree. What the hell is up with Ultimates 3? 1&amp;2 were testament to witty, well drawn post modern comics. This is some kind of travesty. Did Loeb even read 1&amp;2? Gah&#8230;I&#8217;m giving up on this title.</p>
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		<title>By: gorib65</title>
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		<dc:creator>gorib65</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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